Sam: I noticed
you're singing alot more on it (the new album).
Kirk: "Yeah, I've been little
by little, like, you know, from album to album, a
couple songs per album or something, kinda getting
more into the vocals. It's still hard, you know,
instead of just the barking shit. What it is, is alot
of the songs are getting a little more, you know,
melodic and still, you know, super heavy, but just,
it's something I feel it's been long enough of the
same type of thing and it's kinda cool changing it
up and getting more melody into this shit. I think
it makes for better fuckin' songs, so..."
Sam: I heard during the
recording that Pepper came down for awhile?
Kirk: "Yeah, he did. Everybody was
thinkin', like people...you know how the internet is
these days, I mean, you can't fuckin' take a piss
without somebody telling somebody about it."
Sam: Yeah, all of a sudden it was
like 'Pepper is gonna be the new guitar player in
Kirk: "Yeah exactly, what ended
up happening was, we did the record, you know, and I
had Rex and Craig do it with me, and Pep had just moved
back to New Orleans, and he bought a bar. He's got like
a bar/resturant type thing he runs down there, so, you
know, he's down there. We were recording fuckin' five
blocks from his house, so he'd stop by, you know, bring
by the party favors and everbody would have a good time,
or whatever. So it kinda leaked out, you know somebody
asked me, like, one of my friends, 'yeah, is Pepper
gonna do anything on the record?' and I said, man,
if we get loaded one night and we got a good vibe
or somethin' maybe I'll throw a guitar on one track.
So then, between that and, then one time, he said
look man, if you need a fill-in guitar player, this
is like to do a tour or anything like that, he said
let me know man, if I'm not doing anything, I'll do
it. So all that turned into, he was joining, even
though he was never, you know, never really going
to join and never ended up doing anything on the
record either. But you know how shit gets blown out
of proportion, it was one of those deals."
Sam: How did Rex fall into the
Kirk: "He played a little bass on
it as well. Basically what happened is, the whole
process of using him and Craig, what happened is after
the Down thing my wife was pregnant and we had a baby
in March of 2003. I took a little time off 'cause we
did Down for a year, you know, basically. So I took
some time off after that. I decided I wanted to start
writing the new Crowbar shit. Well, me and Rex talk
almost every fuckin' day, well, at that time we were
anyway, we still keep in touch at least once a week or
so. I ended up telling him, look you know, 'what you up
to bro? what's goin' on?' I said, oh I think I'm gonna
write, you know try to go ahead and do the new Crowbar
record. Well he said, 'well who's playin' bass?' I said
well, me, I usually play the bass on the Crowbar shit.
and he said, 'well, why don't you let me do it
motherfucker?'. So, I wasn't gonna say no, so, I got
Criag involved, he offered to play drums, Rex offered
to do the bass. And then we got Warren Riker involved
to produce the last Down. And the next thing you know
him and Warren decide to kinda co-produce it, and they
did a great job and they really added alot to it, and
helped really...the change in the vocals, alot of that
had to do with them too. They really...I mean it would
take me, sometimes 4 hours to sing one fuckin' 3 minute
song. They would just push me, and push me, and push
me, and I'd get pissed, but it was worth it in the end.
So they did a good job."
Sam: The lyrics are pretty heavy,
they are on all your albums, but there's some serious
stuff there you're getting out.
Kirk: "Yeah, basically what I do
is...all of the music is pretty much recorded before
I write one fuckin' word. What I usually do is burn
like a cd of whatever track I'm gonna sing that day,
or the next day, or whatever and I'll just take it one
day at a time, one song at a time. I'll lock myself in
a room by myself with a fuckin' pen and paper, listen
to the shit over and over again, and just really...what
the lyrics are is whatever I'm feeling at that moment
I just write down, and that becomes...some of them only
take 5 minutes, some of them take 6 hours. You know,
you've gotta really work it, but basically it's whatever
I'm feeling at that moment, is what ends up being the
lyrics. I kinda get in a little zone, and fuckin'
scribble it down, and that's that. I go downstairs and
belt it out and it's a song. So, it's worked pretty
good that way for awhile."
Sam: You make it sound so easy...
Kirk: "Well, it is kinda, but the
tune 'Lifesblood' the last track on it was going to
be an instrumental. We were mixing it down in Miami
at Steve's dad's studio and we're just kinda messing
around, and I kept hearing like a vocal melody on it,
so I just grabbed a pen and paper and maybe like ten
minutes, you know, wrote it down. I said 'Let me give
it a shot with some vocals on it', so I did, and they
loved it. Steve actually did all the electric guitar
stuff on it, which is cool, he was able to play on it.
So, I said, 'dude go grab a guitar', you know I was
getting into this creative little vibe, you know? But
it all come together like, just one evening. The whole
idea of even having the vocals, the lyrics, the guitar
and everything just happened within a 'couple hours,
we weren't even going to do any of that shit, so it's
fun when you do that. Kind of get a little creative
spark, and just roll with it, you know? it's totally
Sam: Are you guys going to come
back through again on another U.S. tour?
Kirk: "I'm sure we are, after
this thing we go...we finish up on the 28th of
February, we're gonna fly out on I guess, the 3rd of
March for England, we're going with Hatebreed for
like 11 shows in the U.K.. Then we're gonna headline
like 2 weeks, 2 1/2 weeks of Crowbar shows, then come
back around April 1st, then probably take a little
break. But yeah, we're definately going to do like a
whole other full thing. so sometime this year we should
be back up this way."
Sam: There any Ozzfest possibility?
Kirk: "Nah, I mean, even if we
got offered it, to be honest, I mean, I wouldn't do
it. I mean I did it with Down and bands like Crowbar
for instance would have to buy onto the fuckin' thing.
I mean it's ridiculous, plus, not only do you have to
pay to get on the stupid thing, then you don't have
any income. So, you know you're fuckin' losing just
hundreds of thousands of dollars. And really, I mean,
I watched all the bands that were on the Ozzfest with
Down that year. I mean, we headlined the 2nd stage and
Hatebreed went on before us. We were already both pretty
much established or whatever, already fuckin' doin'
well. I mean Meshuggah came on before us, but it didn't
even help 'um much. I mean all the other bands underneath,
nobody did anything, I mean it's not like they got real
big because of doing Ozzfest. It's a bunch of bullshit
really. So I mean, even if we got offered to do it...I
mean down got paid at least, and it wasn't that bad a
pay, but to have to buy onto that thing, and it's so
much bullshit, you're only playing like 4 shows a week,
the drives are like fuckin' 20 hours. I mean Ozzy flies,
you know, so they don't care about how far apart the
gigs are, and it's just so expensive to do. Even with
Down making decent money and everything else, we ended
up not makin' shit by the time the whole thing was said
and done. So, it's cool, I'm glad I got to do it, it
was an experience and everything, but it's not something
I'd want to do again, you know?"
Sam: Any DVD plans in the future?
Kirk: "Possibly, I've got alot,
alot, alot of old, old, old footage of Crowbar just
from the begining which was like '89 basically, up
to like '96. And after that I don't have much, but
you know, we do have alot of videos that we've done
in the past and we just did a new one as well. It's
possible, we played a big festival in Germany over
the summer, and it was filmed with like 7 cameras and
all that shit. It's a possibility to purchase that
from the people from the gig and put that show out
along with all the other bullshit. Have some other
crap or whatever and make a DVD. I'd like to do one,
I really would, I think it would be cool, so I'm
hoping to do one."
Sam: You guys have gone though
alot of lineup changes over the years...
Kirk: "That is true"
Sam: Do you feel that something
Kirk: "I think so, I've known
Tommy like 20 fuckin' years and he's a full time
Crowbar member as well as a full time Soilent Green
member. Me, Steve, and Pat have nothing else, no other
bands going on. Basically what happened in the past is,
nobody got kicked out of the band ever, most of the
guys left because either because they had enough of
the touring and road shit and wanted to have a family
and whatnot. Or they...everybody I've ever played with
pretty much has been in another band at the same time.
Alot of 'um wanted to concentrate on their other band
for awhile. 'cause they'd been concentrating on Crowbar
for a long time. So really, the only schedule we've
gotta juggle is with Tommy. I don't see it being that
much of a problem to split things 50/50, you know,
over the course of a year. If they were to do, you
know 5 months of touring, or we were to do 5 months of
touring or whatever, it's up to whatever schedule
Tommy can really handle. But I don't see it being a
problem to juggle his schedule 'cause me, Pat, and
Steve, we're open for anything, so we can make it work
out. This line-up is killer, I really hope that it'll
fuckin' stay solid and not have to change. Believe me,
I don't like to change, but I'm really glad we ended up
with the lineup that we have now, I think it's killer."